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Last night, I submitted the following post for publication in the community pora_valit. Most of you probably know the community is focused on the topic of immigration from Russia. Immigrants share their stories and perceptions about how life in the Motherland differs from the country to which they immigrated. I see alot of posts from this community in TOP ЖЖ, almost always focused on America and Americans. I submitted my insights because one of my readers thought it would be an interesting topic for pora_valit subscribers. This morning, I awoke to a message that my post was rejected because they "are not a political board." And how is the following post political?? I expressly state that I'm speaking only about human relations NOT geopolitical ones. Today there's a post in the community about federalization in the State of New Hampshire - a clearly political topic!

I'm obviously not a Russian immigrant, but the topic of my post is about people and cultural differences in communication styles between Russians and Americans. I think I'm a pretty good judge of this, given that I communicate with only Russians almost every day on my blog. The content of my post isn't directed toward my normal readers, but the general ЖЖ community. Perhaps pora_valit doesn't want to publish an English language story there? That's fine, it's their choice, and I'll respect their decision. However, I copied my original post below and ask that you pass it along to others because I believe the content is important and worthy of reading and introspection.

Original Post:

I'm not Russian. I was born in America, and have lived here my entire life. I've traveled to over thirty countries, including three trips to Russia in the past two years. My English language blog on ЖЖ, consisting mostly of travel stories, is read only by Russians. We frequently discuss my travels from around the world, social issues and the prime cultural differences between America and Russia. Almost no one in my country uses ЖЖ, or has even heard of it. It's now completely dominated by Russian speakers. I write here because I'm curious about Russia and former Soviet bloc countries, and the inhabitants of these regions. The primary goal of my blog is to promote tolerance towards different viewpoints, ideas, cultures and lifestyles.

We have a lot of interesting discussions and the majority of my dedicated Russian readers are smart, with proper manners. However, my subscriber numbers have remained static for the past few months (around 1,500). So, I recently decided to promote two of my English language posts on the Cyrillic homepage. The main purpose was to draw more Russian readers to my blog, but the promotions in the Cyrillic community were also a social experiment...to see how Russians would react upon seeing something highly unusual - English text in the top promo box of ЖЖ.

Grab the popcorn, and let's see how the animals in the Russian blogosphere behaved...!

Unfortunately, the responses were exactly what I expected. Here's a sample of the comments I immediately received after the English posts appeared in the promo box:

"Why this shit lay down here in russian segment promo?!"

"нахуй это здесь?"

"
I do not want to see this kind of post in promo of russian segment, it is ridicilous and stupid..."

"
This is huita."

"
чё за гавно висит в промо?"

"Люби Россию - пиши по-русски!"

"do you suck dick?"

I'm sorry, but I can't understand such rude and aggressive behavior. Why is there no curiosity or intrigue at the sight of something new? Absolutely no desire to understand my motives for being here. Instead, some type of animalistic behavior kicks in and people in the Russian blogosphere immediately attack. After all, writing some idiotic and unoriginal insult is much easier than taking the time to understand something, or someone, different. Civil people ask questions, in search of answers. Why not ask why an American is writing here, instead of attacking me?

Other Russians decided to give me advice about my dating life, a topic wholly unrelated to the post. A few psychoanalyzed my mental state, concluding that I must be miserable and unhappy because I'm unmarried and childless at age 41. Then, there are those Russians who refuse to accept that an American woman could legitimately be interested in Russian culture or people, creating all types of conspiracy theories in their heads. The most common conspiracy theory amongst the
ЖЖ community is that I'm a former Soviet English teacher. Look at these comments, all posted in my journal over the past year:

"Мне тоже кажется, что английский в процитированном блоге идет скорее от очень качественной советской учительницы английского языка, чем от реальной американки. Так как неестественно много пассива, past perfect, have been, придаточных предложений перед главным и т.д."

"Она не американка. Она употребляет perfect там где американки употребляют indefinite. Наверное советская учительница или что-то в таком роде."

And my absolute favorite! "
Пользователь peacetraveler22 не американка, а вероятнее всего гуская беженка. Тексты в его/ее блоге написаны не на амерыкэн-инглиш. Причем настолько не амерыкэн-инглиш, что oн/она даже не могёт имитировать. Брайтон Бичь - наше всё, бггг.."


In America and most European countries, there's the mentality "to live and let live." In other words, do not be so concerned with the lives of others. I don't feel the need to correct or insult people, to know every detail of their life, or to contemplate or judge their inner happiness or well-being. I write here and communicate with Russians in search of answers, enlightenment, and greater insight into Russia and daily life there. I don't ask every woman I meet if she's married or has children, and assume she is flawed or unhappy if the answer to both questions is no. I don't care if someone is gay, an immigrant, Muslim, or has crazy opinions with which I don't agree. In fact, such people are sometimes the most interesting you will meet. To have an open dialogue with them leads to better self-understanding and reflection. It broadens your mental and analytic abilities. More importantly, it heightens the skill to process different beliefs, cultures and lifestyles, and choose the ones which best suit you. We are talking about basic human relations here - NOT geopolitical ones.

How about Russians who have immigrated to America - do Americans frequently correct your English, criticize your accent, question why you're in the USA, ask for every detail about your life/family, or constantly treat you with hostility?


So this is a plea and call to action for the ЖЖ Community. Please...let's tame the animals in the Russian blogosphere, or at least encourage them to be more creative with their insults. Because I'm growing tired of the monotonous phrases they write.


Do not be afraid to explore the unusual or different - be it ideas, cultures or people. Such exploration can be life transformative, if you only put your swords down long enough to open your minds and truly think.

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bright_mosk
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:42 am (UTC)
After 20 seconds in google:
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:46 am (UTC)
:))! Yes, perhaps it is time for me to leave RuNet. Because I can't understand the mentality here, or how the LJ system works.

Edited at 2014-10-07 08:47 am (UTC)
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atlantis555
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:44 am (UTC)
>"do you suck dick?"
Lol ) The smartest one )
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:46 am (UTC)
Actually, no. It's a completely unoriginal insult to a female. At least be more creative. The RU trolls are lazy and uninspired.
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notabler
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:49 am (UTC)
I'ma going to repost this to my blog, because I found it fair, clever and interesting.
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:50 am (UTC)
Thank you.
prosto_popal
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:51 am (UTC)
There are too much of such "animals". That's why i leaved that community despite interesting the topic of migration to me
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:55 am (UTC)
There are some very interesting posts in that community. I like to read what foreigners think about American life and people - not our politics! Immigrants are the people with the best perspective about American people, culture, tolerance, etc....But, unfortunately many Russians do not like to hear what others think about them. They are quick to throw insults at everyone else, but become overly defensive when someone criticizes Russia or Russians. This...the mysterious Russian soul! :)
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vitsky
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:54 am (UTC)
By the way, did you read a post of one american woman (llorax), who now live in Russia and write her posts in russian: http://llorax.livejournal.com/23382.html ? ("FAQ: Где ты так хорошо выучила русский язык?")
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:59 am (UTC)
Yes, I read her blog. Very amazing woman! In a recent post, I think she was caught off guard when people started arguing aggressively with her about Soviet history. She even shut down comments after they became unmanageable to monitor - http://llorax.livejournal.com/22255.html. Her first introduction into the wild, untamed RuNet! :))
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camedy_club
Oct. 7th, 2014 08:57 am (UTC)
It is not the aggression against you personaly. This is the trolling - national russian game.
How much money do you receive from FBI? ))
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:00 am (UTC)
Ha..I wish I received money and cookies from the State Department. It would be much easier to put up with the idiots then.
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sineglazzka2301
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:08 am (UTC)
Relax:))
You'll never please everyone. Just be yourself. And you are a very interesting person, and very interesting to read:))
And yes - trolling is the national feature:)

Edited at 2014-10-07 09:08 am (UTC)
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:12 am (UTC)
Well, you know me. I want to understand everyone and everything, and become irritated by intolerant people. :) Thanks for your nice compliments. I'm always happy to hear from you!
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a000796
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:12 am (UTC)
"pora_valit - not a political board" - classic LOL :) lately p_v is nothing but political

Nonetheless... I read that promotion post from you and friended you after that; i read those comments you're citing here, but i clearly remember (correct me if i'm wrong) many positive comments of support as well. Therefore your post feels a bit insulting for me (perhaps almost the same as those stupid comments you received were making me ashamed as Russian), because you are mentioning those bad ones, not the good ones, making the global conclusion about Russians vs Americans+Europeans. Don't you have idiots in your country? The entire ЖЖ and especially those popular blogs you used for promotion are open communication platforms and can be used by both good and evil, clever and stupid. Get used to it and be patient. I am sure that people who frieded you after those posts would not comment your later posts the style you mentioned
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:19 am (UTC)
Yes, the good comments were from my normal, intelligent readers, written when the post was originally published. 90% of the comments that came after the posts appeared in the LJ promo were rude and offensive. Of course, we have idiots in America! But there is definitely a cultural difference in the way Russians and Americans interact and communicate with one another in social situations. I'm not speaking only about the Internet either. It's easily noticeable if you have spent time in both countries. Btw, I don't care if someone writes bad comments or disagrees with me. This is fine, and criticism or varying viewpoints are always welcome. This creates interesting discussion, and we sometimes learn from one another. However, it's the manner in which the alternative viewpoint is expressed that's important. Anyway, welcome to my blog. :) Have you ever been to America?
andrey_kaminsky
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:13 am (UTC)
Асоциальная сеть
I do not think that courtesy is achievable if the government pays generously for hatred and intolerance. I suggest to relate to LJ as well as the fans were relating to the rock stars of the 80s. Those were drunk, powdered with cocaine and foul-mouthed, but people have loved them:)
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:23 am (UTC)
Re: Асоциальная сеть
Part of it is my own ignorance. I don't really understand how LJ works. Over the weekend, someone was telling me about paying for comments, reposts, all kinds of nonsense and cheating tactics to become popular and increase traffic to the blog. Apparently hard work isn't enough. The reader wrote:

"you're trying to follow american, I mean honest and fair rules in this game. But you'll never reach the goal with such a way...better off live russian way, even cheat sometimes, otherwise you cannot do business in this country of swindlers and thieves." But I will never behave this way - I'm 100% American at heart.
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sindzidaisya
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:17 am (UTC)
As I know, the community pora_valit was inspired by Kremlin administration to push the russian opposition-thinking people out from the country. So if you decided that this is a real community, you make a mistake.
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:24 am (UTC)
Hmm..I haven't heard this theory. Interesting.
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kremlin_curant
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:20 am (UTC)
I guess they rejected your post because it has nothing to do with the community's agenda - why or/and how people should leave Russia or why people should stay there.
You can write the post about federalization in New Hampshire, but if you insert some facts how good is it or how disgusting is it you definitely will be on par with agenda.
This is very fair and honest community with no bias at all. I recommend you try again with some other posts if they include some reflection regarding how wonderful is life, people or something else in US or versa versa how poor, miserable and difficult is the life here.
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:27 am (UTC)
I'm not an immigrant, and haven't lived in Russia for an extended period of time. Anyway, not all posts there are about immigration. I saw something about an orphanage yesterday, and there are definitely political posts in the community. I don't care that my post was rejected, but the reason for the rejection is not valid. My post has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
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sergechel
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:37 am (UTC)
- ignore trolls.
- don't waste your time explaining why 2+2=4 to idiots.
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 02:55 pm (UTC)
I try to ignore them, but sometimes I get frustrated and must express my anger. :)
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pasha1980
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:43 am (UTC)
Sorry to hear about your confrontation. The reason for such rude behavior is that you live in a very tolerant, homocentric society where pluralism of opinions is taken for granted. The Russian society is the antithesis of tolerance and respect for pluralism. Hence the rudeness that you have encountered.
wise_gorilla
Oct. 7th, 2014 10:20 am (UTC)
Russian people are the most polite, tolerant, and respectful to pluralism. Everyone who doesn't think so, should go suck a dick.
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pogodda
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:43 am (UTC)
I'm sorry for all these insolting things you've got here, and just want to ask you - please, don't leave. Runet is full of insane, arrogant and ignorant idiots, who (dare to assure you) even don't understand properly what you are writing about. Actually, those people are agrassive to the same extent towards their compatriots. They don't like anybody, including themselves.
peacetraveler22
Oct. 7th, 2014 02:58 pm (UTC)
Thanks, encouraging comments like yours make me want to stay. :)
pasha1980
Oct. 7th, 2014 09:46 am (UTC)
The Russian mind is full of fear and anger that needs to find a release, which is evidenced by the extremely vile content of the Russian-language segment of the Internet.
buddhistmind
Oct. 7th, 2014 07:51 pm (UTC)
Quite right.
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