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A Utah Senator recently declared a crisis in the State by introducing a new bill that describes porn as a public health risk that must be curbed to "protect our families and young people." The core essence of the bill is that porn is bad - very bad. You can read the full text of the bill here. In the Senator's view, porn "perpetuates a sexually toxic environment" and "is contributing to the hyper-sexualization of teens in our society." Basically, porn treats women as objects and commodities for the viewer's use, teaches young girls they are to be used, and condones men as the "users." In the Senator's mind, all of this porn culminates into an epic disaster because it lessens the desire of young Mormon men to marry, leads to dissatisfaction in marriage, and promotes infedility.

So what should Utah do about it? The Senator isn't trying to ban porn, but advocates for Utah to take steps to conduct more research to measure the detrimental impact all these sex videos and images cause to the mostly religious State, where over 60% of residents identify as Mormon. He pushes for education to curb and prevent addiction, and better policy making, but of course doesn't offer any concrete means to achieve these policy changes. What do I think?

First, this is an example of why I hate organized religion. It often embeds all kinds of neuroses in children from an early age, because the primary focus is always on what you CAN'T or SHOULDN'T do, rather than what you can achieve. It doesn't take a trained psychologist to understand the mind fuck this creates for some people, because as humans, we shouldn't live as caged animals, suppressing all emotions and expression. The end result of all of this brainwashing that sex is bad, porn is bad, etc. is that Utah has one of the highest online porn viewership rates in the entire USA.

All of these archaic views about sexuality were also forced upon me in my religious school. Dances were forbidden in my high school, and there were no proms because teachers were concerned that boys and girls would be in close personal contact. This slight exposure to another's flesh could lead to impure thoughts, or God forbid!, an innocent kiss between two teenagers, or something more carnal and pleasurable. We were to save ourselves for marriage, and spread our legs for only one man in life...All of it, a form of mind control, like most religious dogmas. They are meant to manipulate the weak, who are unable to think for themselves, or too lazy to do it. I'm not talking about faith here, but about organized religions like the Mormon church. I recently saw a classic bumper sticker which emphasizes the point.

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Overconsumption of anything is bad - porn, alcohol, tobacco, food - all of it creates addiction, which is never healthy. Personally, I'm totally immune to porn. I've written before that I have to watch a lot of it for my legal job, and almost nothing shocks me now. Away from work, I rarely watch it and when I do, I can only be enticed by "romantic porn." Yet it has has absolutely no impact on my sex life, and I've never once felt the need to mimic the wild sexual antics of any porn actress in my bedroom. Porn - it is a fantasy, and we all need some type of fantasy to survive in a very cruel world. However, I do agree that we live in a hyper-sexualized world now, and this is very bad in my view. Porn is only one small component of the equation that led society to this point. About this topic, I'll write in another post...

On the subject of women being treated as a commodity because of porn - you are what you allow. If a woman portrays herself as a commodity, she will be treated as such. With or without porn.

What do you think about all this? Is porn a problem, or has it had a negative impact on your life or relationships?


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baroxa
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:22 pm (UTC)
I personally do not think that religion has anything to do with sexual life of people. But one of my relationships were completely demolished by man's addiction to porn. I was absoblutely shocked to know what kind of damage it can make to male's attitude to sex and intimacy.
If you google sexual addiction, porn addiction or sexual anorexia - you may find lots of interesting and sad stories about broken marriages.
Same time I have never heard any happy story by anyone about how porn has made their life better.

BTW your immunity to porn is mainly due to your gender - pron normally has triggers for men.

But I personally do not think that it should be banned or controlled - because whatever government tries to control becomes a crime.
Moreover, religion has absolutely nothing to do with regulation of any field of life.
They claim to be about joy and love - so let it be just joy and love for those who want it.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:36 pm (UTC)
Religious people often have more complexes about sex, for the reasons I stated in the post. For instance, those preaching against immorality in the U.S., are often caught in all kinds of deviant positions, cheating on wives, sleeping with prostitutes, etc. You can google it and see several examples of high profile preachers in the USA who were busted for such behavior. I'm sorry your relationship was damaged by porn, but in what way? Your lover compared you to porn actresses, or was just visually consumed by watching it on the laptop and ignored you? My immunity - it is due to overexposure, not gender. I'm a highly sexual person, and require a lot of stimulation. It is impossible to control or legislate "porn" because the term itself is ambiguous. What is "pornographic" to one person, is art or erotica to another.

Edited at 2016-04-20 12:39 pm (UTC)
bruce_drillis
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:28 pm (UTC)
Milonov approves that!)
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:37 pm (UTC)
I don't know him. Is he a politician trying to ban porn or lacy panties? :))
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andrey_kaminsky
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:41 pm (UTC)
Всё хорошо в меру
When porn star is yuong and needing an advertising, she poses as a very hot girl and tells about porn shooting something like "That's a lot of fun!". When she gets old and leaves pornbiz, she says differently. Now porn is infected by extreme. Obviously, many such extremal tricks can not be fun for most women. This is not a problem in developed countries, but in the third world, where women are dominated by men, viewing of such porn irreversibly leads to violent sexual experimentation.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Всё хорошо в меру
There is so much shitty and amateur porn online, I don't know who watches it but apparently people do. Demand creates supply. So, where does Russia fall on this spectrum? Is it a developed country, or still third world, where women are dominated by men? I think it depends on who you ask. :)
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procurator0
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:49 pm (UTC)
I have to watch a lot of it for my legal job,

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thats a heck of a job. and they pay you for that too.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 12:51 pm (UTC)
Yes, I get paid to do it. It becomes very boring and monotonous after awhile, and I get tired of looking at tits. It's possible. :)
(Anonymous)
Apr. 20th, 2016 01:09 pm (UTC)
I guess the two sides you are describing, namely Porn (represented by its industry) and the ultra conservative, religious community (Mormons) on the other hand are just two extremes here. My standpoint is somewhere in between. Porn per se isn't bad. However, the commercialization and the proportions porn has reached today is beyond healthy. At least we have to protect minors and children better.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 01:12 pm (UTC)
I agree! The Free Speech Coalition, which is a lobbying group for the porn industry, didn't object the bill. Their official statement on the proposed legislation mirrors my thoughts exactly "We should live in a society where sexuality is spoken about openly and not stigmatized. We should also work together to prevent non-adults from accessing adult material." It all sounds nice, but with the open access to the Internet, developing solutions to achieve the goals is challenging, if not impossible.
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anna_sollanna
Apr. 20th, 2016 01:58 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you and have nothing to add!
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:00 pm (UTC)
Not surprising. :) We agree on most things. It's a pity we are so far away from one another. We could have many lively discussions over coffee, tea, or something more potent. :)
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nguryev
Apr. 20th, 2016 01:59 pm (UTC)
I agree the most American porn should be forbidden: it's disgusting to see those unnatural male and female dolls copulating like rabbits, but French porn for instance is pretty nice as well as Italian.
I wander Mormons want to forbid porn but to have many wives is OK for them. What is the reason? It is a pure pietism.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:05 pm (UTC)
Hypocrisy - this is also a foundation of religion, but one they choose to ignore. :) Can't comment about French and Italian porn, never watched it. In what way is it better? The story lines are more developed, more artistic cinematography...?
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aborigen72
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:15 pm (UTC)
Христианская религия -это религия импотентов .
Она не только запрещает заниматься сексом , но и думать о нём .
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:26 pm (UTC)
What a sad way to live!
mr_gaijin
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:17 pm (UTC)
These issues essentially come down to just one - are the concepts of good vs bad, right vs wrong relative or absolute.
For those who chose to think they are relative porn can be good, religion can be bad. And vice versa.
The relativity of values is certainly a predominant view in the West nowadays, so you're just going along with the flow...
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:29 pm (UTC)
Well, they are relative of course. :) Even something like "killing is wrong," can never be absolute. There are certain circumstances in which killing my be justified, most notably self-defense or euthanasia. And rarely in my life have I ever gone "with the flow" when it comes to ideologies. I'm usually swimming against it.

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romanklimenko
Apr. 20th, 2016 02:46 pm (UTC)
You've touched two big separate topics.
Regardless of Utah and religion in my opinion - we're facing completely new era of technological affect on our lives.
Porn addiction is a big problem. I read some interesting article on this topic recently. The main point was - an easy access to porn reduces the effort needed for boy to get sexual pleasure. When done too often - it makes irreversible change in developing mind. I don't know how we're going to deal with it. Access to sex is much cheaper these days. Tinder and other similar services only contribute to the problem. Few years ago one of my colleges - a nice looking lady with Irish roots divorced in early 30s told me about how difficult to find a decent guy in LA. "They either gays or just looking for one night stand" :)
It was before Tinder. So I must admit - I have no idea how all this will end up.

Speaking of religion. I afraid one paragraph will not be enough to express myself. I'm a strong believer that on current stage of our evolution organized religion is the Evil # 1. In most cases it's been used as a tool to rule the masses. It was creating an artificial barrier in our minds that prohibited further evolution. Among other horrible things it was demonizing the best parts of our nature. You must agree there were always less restrictions on bloody scenes in our culture than on sex. For centuries people were (and some still are) watching live executions as a shows. Can you imagine same thing about sex on public? I'm not saying it should be opposite. I'm just saying that this whole moral principal is wrong. Religion is cult of suffering in this life for the unknown benefits in another.

Next evolutionary step for us will be getting rid of it.
Religious education (which in my eye can be compared to pedophilia) be prohibited. But first we should stop calling this education.
Role of woman should be restored.
Believing (as a part of irrational human nature) cannot be prohibited. But it should transformed from organized form to something very personal.
(IMHO)
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 03:02 pm (UTC)
You express yourself brilliantly! :) About your friend in L.A. who described the current dating scene as "most men are just looking for one night stands" - it is 100% true. And there are plenty of females who give it to them, at least here in the USA. :) So, perhaps, you begin to understand why I'm single for so long? I don't understand anything about the modern dating world. Soon, I'm going to write a post about this, celibacy and how sex is just a recreational sport now for most people, void of emotion. It's meaningless and not valued because it has become so accessible- you just need to flip through your mobile screen looking at Tinder, or some other online dating app, to find the next person to use and discard after your moment of selfish pleasure ends. This is a generation seeking instant gratification, and nothing worthwhile comes instantly. It takes time, effort and compromise to get to know someone past the physical shell. So, now you know my basic, and very pessimistic views, about modern dating rituals. :)) Yet, as a true romantic, I still have hope that I will find the needle in the haystack...:))

Edited at 2016-04-20 03:03 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi
Apr. 20th, 2016 03:25 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I agree, religion is for sex control, to keep young females for those older males that are in power.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 03:27 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. :)
pin_gwin
Apr. 20th, 2016 03:41 pm (UTC)
If there are users in the network, there should be an Admin.
There is nothing new in that matter for centuries.

"Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused."


peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 03:43 pm (UTC)
Re: If there are users in the network, there should be an Admin.
Did you know I'm a lyric master? So it took only one second to know the song to which you referred. :)) What do you mean "Admin"? What would the role of the Admin be in this context?
qi_tronic
Apr. 20th, 2016 05:16 pm (UTC)
Generally I agree with you.
Organized religion has played it's role. Now it's an outdated form of organizing people.

But it's just one side.
No ruling ideas in peoples life is also not good.
Psychologists wrote - even in Nazi concenration camps those people had more will to survive who had goals in life, lived for something bigger than just themselves.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 05:23 pm (UTC)
I don't know people who have absolutely no goals in life. I'm sure they must exist, but I can't relate to them in any way and am not part of their social circle. What's the point of existence if you're not working toward some type of goal or plan, no matter how small? There must be some motivating force. What is your life goal? I'm still not sure. :) Mine are both selfish and directed toward the greater good of humanity.
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kremlin_curant
Apr. 20th, 2016 05:24 pm (UTC)
Actually in porno the women look like real commodities. Something like the live sex toys. Pretty much expensive toys.
peacetraveler22
Apr. 21st, 2016 12:36 pm (UTC)
There are many unattractive women in porn, at least this is my opinion. I don't know how people watch some of the stuff, because it's poorly made and so unrealistic.
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(Anonymous)
Apr. 20th, 2016 05:48 pm (UTC)
genuine american double standards...
this is a perfect example.
People flogging their compatriots for their daring effort to protect their land and their children from pornography never seem to have protested against CBP's ban on "obscene articles generally prohibited entry" - you can find this phrase on every US entry form, but it is OK. when it comes to the people of Utah, why isn't it OK anymore?
peacetraveler22
Apr. 20th, 2016 06:05 pm (UTC)
Re: genuine american double standards...
Children should be protected from porn, I did not say otherwise. I have no idea what you're talking about in the context of the Customs and Border Protection quote.
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