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Cossacks Battling in the USA!

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American bikers, simply legendary! They're the subject of films, urban myths and play an important theme in American cinema and culture. I'm not sure if this news has made its way to Russia, but this week two Texas biker gangs are at battle, and in a very violent way. A major shootout on the streets of Waco, Texas, during which nine people were killed, dozens injured and the locals in shock and awe that a scene from a Hollywood film became reality in their hometown. Now, over 170 bikers are being detained in Texas, with their bonds set high (over $1,000,000)! But, I'm most curious about the name of one of these gangs - COSSACKS. Why did they pick it, or what is the significance to biking culture? About Cossacks, I never understood their role in modern Russia, or its security forces. I wrote about it in my Sochi post, where they stood as guards at various places during the Olympics, as in the following picture.

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About American bikers, tens of thousands of them currently are on the way to Washington, DC for the annual "Rolling Thunder" event, held over the Memorial Day holiday weekend (which begins on Friday). I've already told you about these charitable and friendly bikers in this post. In my photo below, they look scary but in reality most bikers I've encountered are just normal, friendly folks with an intense passion for motorcycles. Just a rough looking exterior, with their long beards and leather jackets. :)

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What is the correlation between Cossacks and American biker gangs? Remains a mystery to me...Perhaps it's just a reference to toughness or a "warrior" mentality. About the recent battle between the Cossacks and Bandidos biker gangs, you can read here. I'm completely ignorant on the subject of biker wars or violence, so you will have to research this topic on your own, if curious.


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pro100_petrov
May. 19th, 2015 06:22 pm (UTC)
>About Cossacks, I never understood their role in modern Russia
Nobody can understand it even in Russia.
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 06:24 pm (UTC)
No wonder I'm confused! :) Now, when Americans google the term "Cossacks", they will see a flood of articles about the biker gang wars, and almost no information about this Slavic group.
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pin_gwin
May. 19th, 2015 06:34 pm (UTC)
I mentioned this group too.
The KAZAK's communities were suppressed under Stalin's regime. It resulted in collaboration with Germans during WW2. Now what you see there - SS symbols along with COSSACKS. There is some more details - one of the guys is wearing an Orthodox style cross while others having mohawks, which relates them to Zaporozhye kazaks. So I would be thinking about some Ukrainian roots, but they could be very remote.
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 06:38 pm (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. I didn't think any of these bikers had Slavic roots, but probably I'm wrong. Perhaps they're smarter or more informed than I give them credit for. :) I also would never notice the Orthodox style cross on any of the jackets, but your eye is more trained to notice such things. This story is so sensational in U.S. news now, but I did become curious about the nature of these biker disputes. Sad that innocent people got caught up in the middle of their violence in Texas.
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Why strange? - xpo_xpo_xpo - May. 20th, 2015 03:10 am (UTC) - Expand
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It has more details, in short - pin_gwin - May. 19th, 2015 07:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Re: It has more details, in short - pin_gwin - May. 19th, 2015 07:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
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And what about Victory Parade? - xpo_xpo_xpo - May. 20th, 2015 03:19 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: And what about Victory Parade? - pin_gwin - May. 20th, 2015 11:25 am (UTC) - Expand
But you didn't said 'part'. - xpo_xpo_xpo - May. 20th, 2015 11:46 am (UTC) - Expand
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a_nimaida
May. 19th, 2015 06:47 pm (UTC)
war between bikers?
Wow ..
Cossacks Americans?

strange
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 06:50 pm (UTC)
Yes, the name is strange, but biker wars have been ongoing throughout history, not only in America. There are no rival biker gangs in Russia? I only know of the group "Night Wolves."
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There are many. - xpo_xpo_xpo - May. 20th, 2015 03:20 am (UTC) - Expand
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notabler
May. 19th, 2015 06:52 pm (UTC)
After a cossack whipped girls from Pussy Riot group with no reason, just for singing (not in church this time), I hate all of them even more, they are paid fighting dogs for tyranny
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 06:56 pm (UTC)
I remember this incident...:(
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south_of_broad
May. 19th, 2015 06:54 pm (UTC)
Love bikers - the patriots. When I grow up, retire and move to Florida I'll buy me a HD.)
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 06:56 pm (UTC)
Yes, me too! The culture is so tight knit and interesting, but motorcycles scare me. I used to ride on them with my dad. Esp. in the Washington, DC area where there's so much traffic and people drive erratic. In the countryside is another matter, more free and safe. Mostly, I hate those "crotch rockets" on which so many young guys ride, weaving in and out of highway lanes at dangerously high speeds.
fedli
May. 19th, 2015 06:59 pm (UTC)
Глядя на ваш обезьянник,хочется поблагодарить Святейшего и Залдостанова,которые смогли повернуть это нелучшее движение в благородное русло.
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 07:14 pm (UTC)
Hi! You're here again to write horrible insults about me and America? Welcome. :)
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barabaan
May. 19th, 2015 07:17 pm (UTC)
You see, they are Cossacks, not Cassacs. There are two absolutely different kind of clowns.

Edited at 2015-05-19 07:17 pm (UTC)
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 08:01 pm (UTC)
How different? They both refer to the same set of people, they're just different linguistic terms.
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pro100_petrov
May. 19th, 2015 07:34 pm (UTC)
PS
I like kazak songs. They are sad and strange.
This is one of the most well-known kazak songs, translated in language of native-americans (lakhota)
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 07:56 pm (UTC)
Re: PS
It sounds very tribal in nature! But, I need a Kazak song with English subtitles! :)
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peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 07:58 pm (UTC)
Bikers shot each other, and when police arrived, the bikers began shooting at them. So, of course, police returned fire in self-defense.

Edited at 2015-05-19 07:59 pm (UTC)
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(Anonymous)
May. 19th, 2015 07:57 pm (UTC)
Well, in the past Cossacks were professional soldiers. Due to novels they got some romantic tone as brave, independent and kind warriors... The time has passed and normal states have invented military drones, robots and Apple...Russia felt ashamed and decided to answer it and remembered... the Cossacks. Propaganda began to work to ensure feeling population of Russian pride. By the way that's why in Russia every year, during 70 years has been pompously celebrated Victory Day. And it will be celebrated the next 70 years - even don't doubt about it. :))))))
Because there is nothing else to be proud of. But in fact, today's Cossacks - are only clowns, they put on themselves bought medals and have no fighting spirit or skills. But 80% in Russia still think that Cossacks are the power!!! :)))))))
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 09:23 pm (UTC)
Russia also has robots and Apple! Though the latter definitely isn't their invention, not sure about the former. Certainly there must be some nerdy Russian scientist or engineer who has developed robotic technology in the country, rather than fleeing to the West for career prospects. :)
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blog_niochem
May. 19th, 2015 08:08 pm (UTC)
Most of Russian people also don't understand the role of Cossacs in modern Russia :)
They are totally useless.
Oh! off course. Drunk Cossacs in Russia shoot on the streets!


Edited at 2015-05-19 08:14 pm (UTC)
pro100_petrov
May. 19th, 2015 08:19 pm (UTC)
>Drunk Cossacs in Russia shoot on the streets
?
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buddhistmind
May. 19th, 2015 09:16 pm (UTC)
I believe it's just that the Cossacks once were fearless, tireless, adamant, ferocious fighters, who literally went amok (quite like the old Norse berserks) in battles with hordes of barbarous and ruthless Turkic nomads from steppes and the Crimean Khanate, and yet who were well-disciplined, autonomous, lived in self-governed communities of warriors, were semi- and sometimes fully independent from the Russian Tzar. Their social system was something like the "military democracy" (it's an outdated but still used historical/anthropological term). After the Crimean Khanate had been destroyed (around 1730s) they almost instantly became useless and dangerous and for the most part were disbanded. And of course in reality they weren't vigorous White Knights and often formed alliances with Turks, terrorizing Russian/Ukrainian/Turkic settlements.

Now the Russian/Ukrainian Cossacks are just fake *****ing scumbags (sorry, dear Shannon!).

Those American guys must have read some history books, I believe...
peacetraveler22
May. 19th, 2015 09:18 pm (UTC)
"Those American guys must have read some history books, I believe..." It cannot be! All Americans are stupid, don't you know? :))
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onkel_hans
May. 19th, 2015 09:44 pm (UTC)
The Cossacks do not exist.
The Cossacks were the fiercest enemies of Communism and the USSR.
After the end of the Civil War, the Cossack population was decimated by Stalin.
In the Second World War, the Cossacks fought against Stalin.
After the Second World War, Stalin executed and exiled practically all the population of Cossacks.
I carefully tired to find any traces of the true Cossacks in Russia and completely failed.
The Cossacks do not exist anymore.

What now calls themselves Cossacks in Russia is filth and clowns.
peacetraveler22
May. 20th, 2015 02:59 pm (UTC)
Now I will wait to see if anyone comes and argues about your view of Cossack history. :) Because sometimes people tell me different historical frameworks, I suppose everyone's interpretation of events is different.
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montrealex
May. 20th, 2015 12:20 am (UTC)
I don' t really care about bikers and we had Hell's in Quebec who fought like hell among each other and against other gangs and then disappeared at once after new laws were adopted which deemed them as criminals and not just motorbikers. Their leader Mom Boucher rots in jail and good thing too!
But after reading your post tried to find out why this name and found nothing except that they are a branch of Bandidos and go back tp 1960s.

Instead stumbled upon Soviet Cossack bikers!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/183856/COSSACK-BIKERS-SEEKING-TO-BECOME-1ST-HELLS-ANGELS-IN-USSR---WITH--JUST-1-CYCLE.html?pg=all

It's amasing because Russian words sounds as KoZak and not kosak
peacetraveler22
May. 20th, 2015 03:02 pm (UTC)
Soviet Cossack bikers! :)) I think the Hells Angels also continue to wreak havoc in the USA on occasion. After this last incident and shootings as a result of biker wars, there's a lot of attention on developing new and more strict laws to deem them "gangs" or criminals. So, perhaps America will soon go the same way as Canada did to curb the problem. But, are motorcycles a big part of Canadian culture?
maadmike
May. 20th, 2015 01:46 am (UTC)
Funny thing! The history is a rude thing, how we can see the all attemps to rewrite the history of WW2 now , and it will not be a surprise if after some hundreds of years some "bright historian" will write, that the Russian Cossacks had took the USA under control in 2015... :))
peacetraveler22
May. 20th, 2015 03:03 pm (UTC)
"all attemps to rewrite the history of WW2 now..." Attempts by whom?
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