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"In the end only kindness matters." It's not merely a phrase or tag line for my blog. I care about humanity, and hope to leave a positive legacy and impact on the world during my lifetime, no matter how small. Almost everywhere I travel, I try to understand the humans I encounter, their place in the world, and how they got there. This was the case during my trip to Israel last year, where so many of my travel companions visited only holy sites. While in East Jerusalem, I left the group to visit a refugee camp. It wasn't filled with Syrians, of course, but Palestinians who basically live in dire circumstances, and garbage filled plots. This experience changed my life, and the emotions that overcame me during the visit will never be accurately conveyed in words. It was there I met the young girl pictured in this photo, and many others like her, who are basically born into chaos and instability. Perhaps I'll tell you their story later this week, but I just want to say a few words about the current refugee crisis.Read more...Collapse )


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Sep. 8th, 2015 06:25 am (UTC)
Totally agree with every word of yours. I wrote a similar post on my blog the other day, where I also said that people fleeing from the war would seek asylum in any country where there is no fighting and bombing, rather than demand all the social benefits in a particular place where the level of life is 100 times higher than where they came from. I also read a blog of a Russian girl who lives in Budapest very close to that tailway station, Keleti, and she writes quite a lot about the behaviour of those people who call themselves 'refugees': they have no respect towards the country, the borders of which they violated or even the volunteers that are trying to help them, they try to dictate their own rulls and take all the help for granted.
Although I don't live in Europe and unlikely ever will, it bothers me personally, because I really like that region as it is, with it's quiteness, politeness, neatness and predominantly secular culture. But these newcomers don't look like they are willing to assimilate - they are more likely to try and dominate, make the local culture change according to their own ideas of right and wrong. It's kinda scary, considering what those ideas are like...

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Sep. 8th, 2015 03:28 pm (UTC)
I've worked with a lot of immigrants, but none of them have ever been as demanding as the people I've seen in this crisis. Perhaps it is something unique to Muslim migrants, I can't say because I've never worked with them. I work mostly with asylum seekers from Central America.
Sep. 8th, 2015 06:32 am (UTC)
The end of the war would be the best solution.
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:28 pm (UTC)
Of course, but this is unlikely to happen.
Sep. 8th, 2015 06:34 am (UTC)
they are unsolicited, like spam
and then they multiply
and then they flee to another place
until those who pity perish
Sep. 8th, 2015 06:41 am (UTC)
solution? in order to fix problem for once you need to fix the cause. what is the cause? people are mad with multiplying, people buy cheap love with kids and pets because they are unable to love other people. before being imported into 'better place' they were first imported onto the planet, "born".

Sep. 8th, 2015 08:05 am (UTC)
I completely agree with you about provocative images for generating hysteria, such images almost do not work on me because I've got a kind of immunity to them. As for people seeking for refuge I think that some drastic measures should be taken. For example, have you seen photos of garbage heaps the people claiming they are refugees have left on places of their camps and especially in buses and trains? Not to mention broken bus windows and so on... I think for such a behavior all the people who did it should be expelled. Furthermore, all the people who had got a status of refugees but later did something violating the laws of the country where they got it should be expelled too. All the people seeking asylum should know that they can't simultaneously live and behave as they used to in their native countries when their are in civilized EU or US; if they want to live in civilized countries they should behave like civilized people. If their religion rites and habits are more valuable for them than safety - they should go back to the countries where they came from. The rest of civilized population of EU and US shouldn't suffer from all these "barbarians".
My friend from Germany just told me that in the city where they live the amount of so called "refugees" has been increasing and increasing, and among "refugees" there are very aggressive people, and now the family of my friend sometimes do not feel safe meeting these aggressive people on the streets of their city...
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:31 pm (UTC)
I agree 100% with all of your statements. And, yes, I've seen those photos and also videos of the "refugees" at German stations throwing food and water onto the rails, which is being donated by the government and handed out by officials to try to help them. The only people I saw accepting the charity were very young children.
Sep. 8th, 2015 09:13 am (UTC)
Effects of Americans & Co games with "democracy".
Current world's most powerful empire looks underdeveloped.
Next one, please !
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:31 pm (UTC)
And Russia plays no role in this crisis?
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Sep. 8th, 2015 09:31 am (UTC)
About the Refugees
User creamy_mood referenced to your post from About the Refugees saying: [...] Не знаю только, не поздно ли уже будет осознать это... Originally posted by at About the Refugees [...]
Sep. 8th, 2015 09:43 am (UTC)
Some think, that everything's fine, they could handle it but that looks like an invasion rather than migration, and sense of entitlement of those "refugees" is rather scary. If I was German, I would be terrified. I mean, you can find such examples in your own history.

Just imagine, that we were two warchiefs of Narragansett tribe in the early XVII century, when pilgrims just started to arrive. We would be sitting in our little wigwam, smoking pipes and chatting.
- Hey, great warchief Wiggling Bottom, I think, we have a problem on our hands.
- What's that, great warchief Smells-Like-Bison? Is it Sioux that are causing troubles again?
- No. no, it's those weird palefaces, that are coming to our land on those huge boats.
- So, what's the problem? They seem like nice people, and as far as I know, they suffer a lot in their homeland, so they have to flee from wars and oppressive government. I don't mind helping them and giving them some of our food.
- Oh, but what if they cause trouble?
- How is that even possible? There are barely hundreds of them, while there are hundreds of thousands of us. What are they going to do? Would they grab our land and send letters back to Europe saying there's plenty of it here, so that more and more angry, ruthless invaders will come in an attempt to claim more land from us? Would they bring some terrible desease, that will decimate our population, and seeing this, they would give us blankets with plague, to finish us off? Would they hunt us like animals and pay money for our scalps? Would they bring foreign religion and culture that encourages exploitation of others,expansion at all costs, racism and hatred for women? And in the end, do you believe, that as soon as they are powerful enough, they would tell us to fuck off, sending us along the Trail of Tears, where we'll lose the majority of our population?
- Uhm... yes?
- No, don't be ridiculous, that's never gonna happen!

Sep. 8th, 2015 02:07 pm (UTC)
Текста много:)
Even more vivid examples exist: the invasion of the Huns, Genghis Khan. But they, as well as your example, have nothing to do with the current situation
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Sep. 8th, 2015 10:11 am (UTC)
I think, both Europe and USA must change the legislation for refugees. No food and accomodation, no pension or benefits for those who do not want to make any job. Are you a refugee? Ok. We have some agriculture areas to cultivate (for example). Take your shovel and show us that you can be useful for our society. In other case, please, go home. Strict legislation which will oblige the refugees to do some work will stop the flow of young impudet people who thinks that european fools will feed them for free.
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:50 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of that Egyptian billionaire who offered to be a Greek island on which all of the refugees could live and build a new society for themselves. Infrastructure, roads, agriculture. I can't understand people who flee to another country and make no effort to assimilate or contribute to the society.
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Sep. 8th, 2015 11:33 am (UTC)
Regarding the last wave of "refugees": I think, a lot of them - not just migrants, but an ISIS soldiers, infiltrating into Europe to bring to war for an "Islamic state" to Europe also. Regarding this Budapest "refugees" you can read here:
Unfortunately, it's in Russian, but I know, you're manage to read also blogs in Russian. And one more thing: European people doesn't realize, that mentality of such "refugees" completely different, than all European people: they doesn't searching for safe place to work and live decently, but to a place, which will give everything to them without working a second! Until they will be a "pure refugees", they will receive everything! And they have a leaders, telling them to do so. About 20 years ago, during my army duty, I was in an "occupied territories". One day, sitting in the bus I'm suddenly saw a beautiful village: new white houses with red roofs... I've asked people, that is this, and I was told, that this houses were build by UN for a "Palestinian refugees", but Yaser Arafat said, that his people is no need charity, and forbid them to move there... Since than, the houses is still there, just everything they could dismantle and take, was steeled from this sites... And that's how they want to leave, at least they leaders want them to live: to be pure, to receive a lot of money from Arab countries and to steal most of it. And, to avoid questions regarding the money - to tell, that Israel - is the root cause of all the situation...
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:55 pm (UTC)
It's a very scary thought that many of these people are merely infiltrating Europe for future attacks. :(( Many of my European friends also complain that the Muslims in France make no effort to assimilate into the new culture, instead expecting their new homeland to adjust to their demands. I have not seen this problem in my area with the Central American immigrants. We don't have many Muslims in the Washington, DC area. I saw all of those photos of the trash from the Budapest refugees. Animals.
Alex Winter
Sep. 8th, 2015 11:54 am (UTC)
Я бы может тоже сделал селфи с теми, с кем проделал небезопасное путешествие. Америка с Европой виноваты в войне больше Путина. Вполне возможно, США даже устраивает, что игиловцы так рвутся в Сирию.
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:49 pm (UTC)
Refugees would not make selfies. If you were fleeing a war torn country, a selfie would not be on your mind. Yes, America and NATO are partly to blame for these tragedies.

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Sep. 8th, 2015 12:24 pm (UTC)
Give each of them a chance to shoot AK-47 in a range to identifier those who can. You could not hide the skills. This test will reveal trained extremist. I believe they are definitely among them.
Also I do not trust pictures like the second one, It could have been faked - too good light and setting, Turkish agency...
Sep. 8th, 2015 03:48 pm (UTC)
Maybe the photo was staged, I'm not sure, but I've seen several like that. Also, I've seen photos of young kids hopping off the boats and immediately dialing someone on their cell phone. It's a scary thought that these extremists are hiding amongst the crowd, but it's a certainty. I'm waiting for the day we have some kind of attack in one of our metros or trains. I think it's inevitable. There's no way to protect against these lone wolfs.
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Sep. 8th, 2015 03:45 pm (UTC)
Yes, very good! Thanks for the link.
Sep. 8th, 2015 05:10 pm (UTC)
Nothing will help until NATO destroy ISIS, and EU rebuild countries NATO destroyed earlier... So, in short it will be continue for worse.
Sep. 8th, 2015 05:11 pm (UTC)
How to destroy them? Just start dropping bombs everywhere? :(
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Sep. 8th, 2015 06:36 pm (UTC)
I read ... I do not know to laugh or cry ....
US and EU armed Syrian opposition, armed LIH.
  That is a fact. Now militants LIH go to Europe. After thousands of kilometers. they go to Gremaniyu, France. For them, they opened a corridor Turkey, Greece, Hungary. Who gave the order?

  Putin supports the legitimate government of Assad. Law.
Or for you, a lawyer, do not understand the word "law"?

Shannon Explain why support the legitimate government that is fighting against terrorists - it is bad, and keep the terrorists who are fighting against the legitimate government of Assad - is it good?

 you're talking about kindness) are you kidding?

You Americans, as the Soviet people. Washington will tell you "it is necessary to bomb this country," you Americans say, "well, it is necessary to bomb".

Sep. 8th, 2015 06:37 pm (UTC)
Actually, based on your comment you know nothing about ordinary Americans. Most are sick of war, and don't support bombings or military intervention on foreign soils.
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