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About the Refugees

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"In the end only kindness matters." It's not merely a phrase or tag line for my blog. I care about humanity, and hope to leave a positive legacy and impact on the world during my lifetime, no matter how small. Almost everywhere I travel, I try to understand the humans I encounter, their place in the world, and how they got there. This was the case during my trip to Israel last year, where so many of my travel companions visited only holy sites. While in East Jerusalem, I left the group to visit a refugee camp. It wasn't filled with Syrians, of course, but Palestinians who basically live in dire circumstances, and garbage filled plots. This experience changed my life, and the emotions that overcame me during the visit will never be accurately conveyed in words. It was there I met the young girl pictured in this photo, and many others like her, who are basically born into chaos and instability. Perhaps I'll tell you their story later this week, but I just want to say a few words about the current refugee crisis.Read more...Collapse )

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a_nimaida
Sep. 8th, 2015 07:31 pm (UTC)
Media lies about refugees
peacetraveler22
Sep. 8th, 2015 07:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Media lies about refugees
I have no idea what the man in that video is saying. Is there an English version?
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den_dark
Sep. 8th, 2015 08:05 pm (UTC)
Situation from Russia:
Russia have many different nations, for foreigners they all Russians but for us, natives, Russian is one of the many nations in the Russian Federation. Russian culture is dominant and most people count themselves us Russians but southern russians from Chechnya or Dagestan separated and have very strong national culture. Often they have more aggressive behaviour, then they live not in "theirs" regions of country.
I think this is the main reason why russian people think about refugees like they are just want to live easy in Europe. Many people actually full of joy. They dream how Europe will fall because of huge way of arabs and muslims because of more aggressive propaganda of enmity from TV.

My opinion about situation: Europe may take refugees for some limited time and try to help finish crisis in their countries by any means necessary. UN have military force but not use it at all. They too slow and hesitantю.
But Europe cannot help all refugees constantly it will cost too much. European people can help them for year or two but after that they lost patience. Good intentions may have very bad consequences in that case. All in all Europe will benefit if brightest of refugees and migrants stay there.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 8th, 2015 11:11 pm (UTC)
I've read many comments in RuNet where people wish destruction of Europe and the West by these migrants. I don't understand this mentality, but it's a clear sign that anti-Western propaganda in Russia is working. :( A real pity. I'm certain there are some bright, educated, and very noble migrants and refugees in this group. I hope they assimilate and contribute something to whatever nation they call home in the future.
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iamschik
Sep. 8th, 2015 08:06 pm (UTC)
Hi Shannon,
Thanks for bringing up this matter for discussion. I don't have any answers to the question, what to do with all those crowds. However, I know about crowds, and I know how thin is the layer of civilization, even in our States. Remember Katrina in New Orleans? Remember how fast and how many people stopped behaving like people? So, we don't have any ideas about people in contemporary crowd, and I don't think it makes sense to judge their behavior from the comfort of our computers. Like in any crowd, some are innocent victims, and some are predators, and some are just "joiners". I don't watch news because they are toxic. All in all, the whole situation is very scary, right?
peacetraveler22
Sep. 8th, 2015 11:14 pm (UTC)
Hi! Yes, you're right. Perhaps I jumped to judgment too quickly. We can never know how we will react until we are forced to walk in the shoes of others, and endure the same experiences.
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pin_gwin
Sep. 8th, 2015 09:34 pm (UTC)
More pictures from these "refu-geeees"
http://kniga-bukv.livejournal.com/165266.html
I think they are mostly catching the wind of opportunities now...
peacetraveler22
Sep. 8th, 2015 11:13 pm (UTC)
I saw this post and photos. It's what made me think a lot about this situation. There is the opposite view at this link, justifying the behavior of the migrants. It's interesting to compare the views of locals on the ground in Hungary. https://www.facebook.com/mariia.hovanskaia/posts/10206732951596539?hc_location=ufi

Edited at 2015-09-08 11:15 pm (UTC)
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liver22
Sep. 9th, 2015 12:13 am (UTC)
Şul keşelәrgә min ber genә әyber әytәlәm, Rusiyagә rәhim itegez! Lәkin bu bik katı nәmәrsә, çөnki bu ildә kış kөnnәrendә bik salkın bula, ber yaktan, hәm ikençe yaktan monda akça belәn bik avır, şunarga karagaç min uylım hәm aŋlım - Siriyadәn kөmdә bu ilgә kilsәdә, bu bik әz cıelgan kөşelәr bula. Menә şulay Şennon)).
peacetraveler22
Sep. 9th, 2015 01:10 am (UTC)
In what language are you writing me? Is it Turkish?
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livejournal
Sep. 9th, 2015 10:07 am (UTC)
третья сторона медали
User leolion_1 referenced to your post from третья сторона медали saying: [...] the law, and from a humanitarian perspective.http://peacetraveler22.livejournal.com/150735.html [...]
asharky
Sep. 10th, 2015 07:22 pm (UTC)
«…I've said over and over again that I'm very sympathetic to immigrants, and civil societies should make efforts to accommodate refugees, but there are limits.…»

Absolutely right!

For example, in the past, the Indians of North America does not limit the influx of migrants and where now these Indians? They were killed!
peacetraveler22
Sep. 10th, 2015 07:24 pm (UTC)
Yes, of course. And what country has no bloodshed on its hands, esp. at the beginning of its formation?
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orangetreedizzy
Sep. 17th, 2015 02:04 am (UTC)
Selfies
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"Then, I see photos like this in the press. Young men taking selfies after arrival on the Greek shoreline. I'm sorry, but true refugees are typically terrified and would never contemplate such action. Or, has social media and technology made the world so narcissistic that even those fleeing war and tragedy need to post selfies on Facebook?"
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I've read recently http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/english/course/intermediate/unit-19/session-3
May be so they make selfuies :)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 17th, 2015 02:22 pm (UTC)
Re: Selfies
It's really interesting to see how people learn English, and other languages. :) Good luck with your studies. I hope my blog also helps you practice English. :))
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