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It's very amusing to hear impressions and stereotypes about Georgia from my Russian readers. Unfortunately, I don't think I have many native Georgians reading this blog. I will be there in two weeks, and will spend several days in Tbilisi at the beginning and end of the journey. Please send me a message if you are there, and have time to meet for coffee or a quick chat.

In the meantime, I can't fully grasp current relations between Georgia and Russia, despite having read a lot of articles on this topic recently.  The most common stereotypes about Georgians repeated to me by Russian readers:

(1) Georgians are very, very lazy - especially Georgian men;
(2) most mafia in Soviet times were Georgians - yes, constant warnings about the Georgian mafia! :));
(3) they are hot-blooded Southerners, loud, animated; and
(4) continual comments about the wild men of the Caucasus'!


In fact, I think there is quite a long history of Russian females being attracted and drawn to men from the Caucasus, though I don't know the precise reasons why. The most amusing comment in my recent post about celibacy came when a reader wrote - "Думаешь горячие кавказские парни ее разморозят?" Well, I am not a piece of meat that needs to be dethawed! :))  Anyone who immediately attempts to do so will likely fail, and it does not matter if he is from the Caucasus or right here in Washington, DC.

The route is already planned, and I'll journey through the country with a native Georgian, spending most of my time in village areas. I think outside of a few larger cities, the whole country is a big village! :) If you have suggestions on places to visit, things to see, please write in comments. Thanks and pleasant week to all!

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juan_gandhi
Sep. 26th, 2016 01:54 pm (UTC)
It tells a lot about the Russian culture, not about the Georgian culture.
If you ask them about the Americans, you'll be surprised.

peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 01:55 pm (UTC)
Ask who about Americans? Georgians or Russians? :) In general, I think most of the people writing all these comments about Georgia and Georgians have never stepped foot in the country...
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skomoroh_roker
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:01 pm (UTC)
----In fact, I think there is quite a long history of Russian females being attracted and drawn to men from the Caucasus, though I don't know the precise reasons why

russians themselves are more "northern" temper. it's valued of what do you do, than wha do you say or look like. Not always, sure, but often.
georgians are more expressive, they like affectation, visible gestures. they often look loud-brave-generous-noble.
but, as it often happens with people of south it all often is just a visibility and "style", related with a will to look in a certain way before "own people". so don't be very serious about.
from the other hand - it's a really old, reach and deep culture and a really beautiful country.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:05 pm (UTC)
I like emotional, animated, free-spirited people. It is akin to my personality, even though I am definitely reserved around strangers when I first meet them. I don't like to be surrounded by sullen, gloomy faces on the streets, as I constantly encounter when I'm in Moscow and other parts of Russia. So, I'm sure I'll like the openness of the Georgian people, because it is my spirit as well...:) Btw, I disagree about Russians and appearances - the latter is very, very important to most Russians. Ever noticed how they all like to give advice to others on how to dress, look, eat, wear, etc.? I've been called a slob numerous times for wearing hats during winter travel, jeans, having unkempt hair....:))

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notabler
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:08 pm (UTC)
all 4 are lies. I've never been in Georgia, but met some of native Georgians. All were very decent people, nor lazy, neither wild. Some have a slightly shorter temper, but because they still have much more understanding about respect of other, dignity and honour.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:13 pm (UTC)
All the Georgians I communicate with so far have been really lovely! :) Good and bad everywhere, I think Georgia is no exception.
Maks J-Fry
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:12 pm (UTC)
Actually these aren't stereotypes, we lived together almost 240 years. We know everything about them. These 4 items are correct. Be ready to be mugged or kidnapped or something.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:17 pm (UTC)
Who is going to kidnap me? I will be traveling with a Georgian man, with a loaded shotgun in his car. :) I'm sure everything will be okay. I think Georgians and Russians are very different people, with a shared and complicated history...
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yarowind
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:52 pm (UTC)
http://puerrtto.livejournal.com/

He knows all about Georgia:)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I know Sasha, and communicate with him. :) He actually introduced me to the native Georgian I'll travel with in the country. :)

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rider3099
Sep. 26th, 2016 02:59 pm (UTC)
 Have a wonderful trip! I envy you because I really love Georgia!
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 03:01 pm (UTC)
I haven't heard many bad things from friends who have visited this country as a tourist. All fall madly in love with it...so, let's go and see if I have the same experience. :)
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sergej_vl
Sep. 26th, 2016 03:45 pm (UTC)
I never been in Georgia and have no personal expirience of communication with Geogians. Therefore I can say nothing useful for you on this topic.
But I will read your travel notes with big interest.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 03:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks! It seems people are no longer interested in travel stories, but I will continue to share my impressions from all journeys. :)
timsparrow
Sep. 26th, 2016 03:59 pm (UTC)
Good luck! One thing for sure: you have to brace yourself for Georgian hospitality: it is impolite to refuse to eat or drink when offered. More, Georgians have a special word for a condition when you are satiated, but cannot stop eating because the food is way too delicious!
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 04:03 pm (UTC)
Thanks! What is this "special word" for when you're too full and drunk on chacha or Georgian wine to take another bite or sip? This seems like a very useful phrase to know...:))
ambival
Sep. 26th, 2016 04:22 pm (UTC)
What an American lawer will do in Georgia? Is it politics?
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 04:24 pm (UTC)
Politics? :)) I do not have a secret mission or directive there. Also, my identity is not as a "lawyer". I'm just a woman going to Georgia for fun, to explore the culture, people, see mountains, eat tasty food...why not? :)
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amantonio
Sep. 26th, 2016 04:38 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you liked my comment.
Caucasus men know how to talk the talk, that women like. Hence they walk the walk. This is how the dethawing process works.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 04:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, your comment was a definite winner! Made me laugh out loud! :)) What type of "talk" do women like exactly?
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maryasha_b
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:08 pm (UTC)
I have never been to Georgia, but I had Georgian colleagues in Moscow. And I also got an impression that Georgian men are lazy. Or at least will not certain things because they expect women to do it. Similar situation in Russia, but to lesser extend.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:09 pm (UTC)
And what are the men supposed to do? Just sit around and have fun all day? :))
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maryasha_b
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:10 pm (UTC)
And indeed at least in Moscow there is a lot of ethnically mafia... Not only Georgian, but Caucasian. Recently in our neighborhood cafe of one of these mafia groups has been demolished. I am soooo happy. Can't tell if they were Georgian, Armenian or Azi.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:11 pm (UTC)
In the U.S., we only have stereotypes about Russian mafia. Never heard about the Georgian mafia!
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orangelass
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:14 pm (UTC)
I'm Russian, and I've never heard about the first three stereotypes, as you call them.
#4 is probably about Caucasian temperament. Russians believe that many of those men are easily offended, and they will try to defend their and their families' "честь и достоинство". Caucasian men will make a big deal out of what other people just let go.

When I hear Georgia, the first words that come to my mind are hospitality, kindzmarauli, mountains, and mustaches. :)
I'm sure you'll fall in love with Georgia's nature. And if you drink alcohol, try Georgean wines; they differ from European and American wines significantly.

You mentioned you want to understand the current Georgia - Russia affairs better. You might have read about this... But if you haven't, may be you'll be interested in reading this: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вооружённый_конфликт_в_Южной_Осетии_(2008)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:21 pm (UTC)
Yes, it seems many Georgian men have this "mountain man" appearance with full beards, five o'clock shadow, or facial hair of some sort...I like it. :) Thanks for the article. I will give it a read. I drank Georgian wine during one of my visits to Russia, and also ate Georgian food there.
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creaze
Sep. 26th, 2016 05:35 pm (UTC)
Being myself a rude sovok, i shall comment that these stereotypes do more justice to other tribes and nations of Caucasus, which there are plenty besides Georgians. Specially to some (and i mean: just some) northern Caucasian ones.

One thing i've heard about Georgians in Georgia is that they fail to control their hospitality: once you get to receive an invitation to join a family dinner (a swift introduction is said to be enough to receive one), you get fed with most delicious house made meals until you can hardly breathe — and no mentioning of preceding nor of succeeding dinners to attend tonight will matter.

But then again, that was just someones impression, not mine.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 27th, 2016 03:19 pm (UTC)
I will be on the move constantly, so it seems there will not be time for all these huge feasts, but maybe I'm wrong. In mountain regions, we will stay in guest houses, I'm sure we will be well fed there. :)
timsparrow
Sep. 26th, 2016 06:44 pm (UTC)
Get ready for the famous Georgian hospitality: everyone will try to feed you with the best food and wine they gave. No refuse will be accepted.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 27th, 2016 03:19 pm (UTC)
But what if you don't drink alcohol very often? How to refuse the wine politely?
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