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The grim butcher - Yerevan, Armenia

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We can weave many tales, stories or fantasies in our minds based on a single image. It doesn't matter whether the form is moving or still, as in this photo. I look at this and feel such brute and primal force. I encountered this male specimen in the Armenian market, and immediately chills began to creep through my veins. Internal dissonance was incited by his eyes, which penetrated in a violent and harsh manner. It probably didn't help that he was standing over dead carcasses, with knives and other butcher equipment directly behind.

I don't like this type of alpha male, with some over-bearing presence, hunting me down with predatory eyes, creating a sense that I could be his next victim. Yet for others, these traits are the pure embodiment of "masculinity."

What do you think about this photo? Does it create internal harmony or discord?

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vasya_vasechkin
Jun. 21st, 2017 02:24 pm (UTC)
Ереванца не нашла? ;) )))
procurator0
Jun. 21st, 2017 02:53 pm (UTC)
sometimes cigar is just a cigar)
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pin_gwin
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:11 pm (UTC)
My be not....
Learning to read faces in a foreign countries takes time. In reality the guy could be very nice and kind. For me, for example, many American faces read unemotional, inexpressive and dull, with some exceptions. They are just not very readable to me. Still, after 20 years of leaving here.
This one may not like that you are taking his photo...
qi_tronic
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:15 pm (UTC)
Re: My be not....
Yeah, American faces smiling in a robotic way :))
All this "How can I help you?" and a smile.
Feeling like pressing a button on a talking toy :))
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qi_tronic
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:12 pm (UTC)
"Internal dissonance", why?
All men from the Caucasus look aggressive.
It is a part of their culture to present themselves in such a brave way.
It does not mean anything substantial, just a cultural thing, like Russians not smiling.

peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:40 pm (UTC)
"All men from the Caucasus look aggressive..." I do not think so. :)) What does it mean to be "brave?" Probably different things to different people. And the warrior days of the Caucasus are over. The reason for dissonance I explained - I do not like machismos, something repulsive about this male personality type.

Edited at 2017-06-21 03:43 pm (UTC)
merinainen
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:25 pm (UTC)
I do not think he is brute or violent or smth. like that. It is his bushy brows and burning eyes which make U think so. In fact, he might be as meek as a lamb:)))
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 03:41 pm (UTC)
All these dead animals surrounding him probably impacted my perception in a negative way. :)) I do not like bushy brows, but bushy faces are okay. I like beards. :))
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evalex
Jun. 21st, 2017 05:07 pm (UTC)

wow :) never thought you are from "victim" type 😃😃😃

peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 05:13 pm (UTC)
Hello...nice to see you here again! Everyone falls "victim" to the charms of the opposite sex at various points in life, right? I am no exception. :) Though in the case of this man, I mean it in the literal sense - as something deadly based on his menacing look. :))
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yarowind
Jun. 21st, 2017 06:05 pm (UTC)
I think if you bought turkey, he would be more friendly :)
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 06:06 pm (UTC)
You are probably right! :)) He was even selling tiny, skinned bunnies! :)) I will write a more detailed report about this colorful market.
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moskitow
Jun. 21st, 2017 07:54 pm (UTC)
I've noticed his "leopard print" sweater under a sporty vest! He just looks wild. If he marries the right girl (that his family choses for him), he will be a very good husband. Bringing home the bacon every day! Literally.....
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 08:21 pm (UTC)
I also noticed the animal print! This is a proper fashion choice, fitting for the whole scene. :)) I do not mind if a man looks wild or untamed, with a big beard or mountain man appearance, and so forth. Actually, I quite like it. :) But he still must have kindness in the eyes and soul...:))
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ell_dagros
Jun. 21st, 2017 08:41 pm (UTC)
Brutal look is a kind of a psychical armor among former soviet people, who got used to live in aggressive social environment. if you smiled and ordered some piece of meat he sells and friendly asked him to advise which one is the best his shell would instantly fall and this guy turned to you as a nicest person. Caucasus people are not tend to trust you at the first sight, but actually they are very sincere

Edited at 2017-06-21 08:43 pm (UTC)
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 08:59 pm (UTC)
Harsh, unstable environments decade after decade impact society on all levels, including the armor people wear in everyday life. However, most people I encounter in this region are so warm and friendly, yet a bit primitive on some levels. :) I say this as a foreign tourist, spending time in Georgia twice and much lesser time in Armenia. If I lived there day after day, the novelty might wear off. Not sure...maybe I will find out in the future. :)
maadmike
Jun. 21st, 2017 09:00 pm (UTC)
"What do you think about this photo? Does it create internal harmony or discord?"

I think he doesn't like you are making photo of him... and that's all.
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 11:06 pm (UTC)
I asked permission to take the photo. I never point my camera or iPhone directly at a person and snap shots. Not at home, or during travels. I will only do it from a distance. This close, I always ask out of respect. And this was his pose...:)
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notabler
Jun. 21st, 2017 10:09 pm (UTC)
Caucasian men almost all trying to look like macho, it's cultural
peacetraveler22
Jun. 21st, 2017 11:06 pm (UTC)
Yes, especially the young ones. By old age, it seems most grow tired with this facade.
kremlin_curant
Jun. 21st, 2017 10:14 pm (UTC)
This is a kind of racist sounding post. The man looks like a regular Caucasian man. Nothing awful in his appearance.
peacetraveler22
Jun. 22nd, 2017 12:12 am (UTC)
It was not about his appearance, but his eyes and the energy he projected. For instance, I have a photo of three other male butchers from this market. They are smiling, with warm eyes. I will share it another post, and you will immediately be able to see the difference. :)
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metaller
Jun. 22nd, 2017 12:18 am (UTC)
At my view he is just a regular guy working as butcher. Nothing else.
peacetraveler22
Jun. 22nd, 2017 12:19 am (UTC)
You are not a woman, thus cannot understand how intense and predatory some male gazes are. :)) But maybe women look at you in the same manner, and perhaps you like it? LOL.
Ринат Атман
Jun. 22nd, 2017 02:56 am (UTC)
Точно.
В истории в горах было много банд. Слабое влияние государства.
Есть и сейчас.
Глаза - зеркало души. И учтём род деятельности.
Вполне может быть, что для него человек это просто мясо, как баран.
Никакой духовной тонкости и глубины.
Банально -- люди разные бывают, есть и такие.
Exactly.
In the history in the mountains there were a lot of gangs. The weak influence of the state.
Is now.
The eyes are the mirror of the soul.
And we will take into account the kind of activity.
It may well be that for him the man is just meat, like a sheep.
No spiritual fineness and depth.
Banal -- people are different, there are.

Edited at 2017-06-22 03:02 am (UTC)
eltelfo
Jun. 22nd, 2017 08:39 am (UTC)
Oh, Shannon's favorite topic
peacetraveler22
Jun. 22nd, 2017 09:10 am (UTC)
What is my favorite topic?
creaze
Jun. 23rd, 2017 05:50 am (UTC)
OK, since everyone here seems to be mocking you, let me tell you a sketch from my recent job. At the dinner at the end of a day full of talks and negotiations one German guy, a refined hipster intellectual, delicately complained to me about feeling estranged and unwelcome, induced by one of the Russians, his direct colleague actually who they are supposed to be working closely alongside.

The meeting takes place in Moscow, and this is an intimate Russian project where Germans are invited partly out of courtesy, so if you dig deep enough in you inner world — well, yeah, you could find a justification like this. Although, of course, this kind of behavior on behalf of the Russian appeared unpolite and in this situation, blatantly unprofessional.

So i asked the German, what did that Russian do to evoke this feeling. And he said: he was sitting with his arms crossed. Which, among psychologists, is believed to be a gesture of confinement. I can also tell that his unshaved face that normally wears a touch of irony about this world, — did not exactly soften the impression.

Of course, it was just a body language taken wrong. That Russian was from a working background and did not have a thing against the German — it was just his usual way of being.
peacetraveler22
Jun. 23rd, 2017 05:03 pm (UTC)
I do not feel like people are mocking me. :) I just believe we should trust our intuition, and only I can know how this butcher made me feel at this precise moment. This is all I was trying to convey...nothing more. :)
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