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Yawn...a lazy Sunday for me!  I just woke up around noon, had a cup of coffee with a delicious pumpkin muffin, and now sit on my apartment balcony staring at the Lincoln Memorial, reading LJ, and laughing at this post. How true!! Many times Russian readers try to correct MY English, and as you all know, this is my native language. :)) Apparently I write in the manner of a former Soviet English teacher, as some people who are not regular readers of my blog mysteriously believe I lived in the USSR, teaching young children language lessons. I notice many small English errors in reader comments, yet I never point them out because there is no point. I completely understand what the reader is saying, so why focus on minor mistakes? Only to humiliate someone? Anyway, this is something very unique to the Russian blogosphere and RuNet- where everyone is a brilliant scholar, political strategist, and master linguist. :) Here's the original post:

Originally posted by mashkind at Fuck off, gramma nazi! или что такое истинная толерантность
Снимок экрана 2014-09-28 в 16.12.29

Ни в одной стране мира нет такой нетерпимости к чужому английскому языку как в России. И это было бы очень смешно, если бы не было так отвратительно. Люди живущие в России убеждены, что лучше всех знают как нужно говорить на английском языке. Они убеждены, что имеют право поправлять всех, даже если их совета не спрашивают. Я только что вернулась из интернационального блог-тура, где приходилось общаться только по-английски, естественно, что у всех уровень англ очень разный, но меня понимали, пытались понять. Никто, совершенно, никто из них, не смеялся над моим английским, не поправлял. Только если я сама спрашивала, как правильно. За эти 5 дней мой уровень английского, действительно, вырос.

Но в России люди самые умные, я так полагаю, да? Я писала статусы на англ, чтобы их могли понять другие блогеры и организаторы поездки. Я показала обе эти надписи Линси из Калифорнии, английский которой настолько кристально чист, что даже я понимала каждое слово. Она сказала, что я написала все правильно. Но русские все не могут успокоиться.

Снимок экрана 2014-09-28 в 16.13.01

Это касается не только языка. Ты перекачала ляжки. У тебя целлюлит и тд. Почему вы думаете, что имеете право давать советы посторонним людям? О том, как выглядеть, как писать, как говорить? Почему ни у кого нет даже намека на деликатность? Приведу совершенно феерический очень смешной пример для сравнения. Чтобы было понятно, что такое истинная толерантность:

Я рассказываю Линси о своем фуджике, примерно так:
– O, my camera has «masterpiece» button (у моей камеры есть кнопка «шедевр»)
– o_O really??!!!! (правда?!)
– Yeah, it is very popular camera in Russia (да, это очень популярная камера в России)
– (примерно) And how often you are using it? (и как часто ты ей пользуешься?)
– Every time!

Спустя какое-то время я услышала дикий ржач, смеялась mumuka, смеялась Линси, смеялись все! оказалось, что Линси вместо «masterpiece» button услышала «masturbate» button!! она подошла к Кате и осторожно спросила, что это за волшебная кнопка на моей камере)))

Вот как для нее выглядел наш диалог:
– Линси, у моей камеры есть кнопка «мастурбация»!
– Что, правда??
– Да, это очень популярная камера в России
– И как часто ты ей пользуешься?
– О, постоянно!


Но Линси настолько деликатный человек, что услышав эту чудовищную вещь, ничего мне не сказала))) Мало ли что там на фотоаппаратах у этих крейзи рашн)) Это происшествие, однозначно, стало шуткой всей поездки)

Вот что такое толерантность, друзья мои. В следующий раз прежде чем лезть к кому бы то ни было с непрошенными советами, подумайте а стоит ли?

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kreyzi
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:01 pm (UTC)
he he ) thank you )
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:09 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. :) Sometimes I still feel like a lost puppy dog here on LJ, just waiting for someone to show me the way around the Russian blogosphere. So many things still surprise and shock me, but such mindless arguments over small grammatical errors simply make me laugh. :)

Edited at 2014-09-28 06:10 pm (UTC)
elena_88888
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:11 pm (UTC)
It's a masterpiece!
You made my day!)))
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:22 pm (UTC)
Yes, my day also! It's amazing people have the energy to focus on such small things, particularly on social networks. I will admit it does bug me when English speakers make grammatical errors on Facebook, but when someone is writing in their second language such mistakes are easily forgiven in my mind. I can't imagine if I tried to write even one paragraph in Russian - it would be a complete nightmare! Readers would probably not understand anything! :))
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alsh4ka
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:19 pm (UTC)
Я часто замечаю ошибки на одном рукодельном форуме. Но не делаю замечания там. Максимум, что делаю - пишу пост про ошибку у себя в блоге без указания имен.

Edited at 2014-09-28 06:20 pm (UTC)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:26 pm (UTC)
You are respectful and kind, like most of my readers. :) So, you discuss the mistakes in a nice and civil manner, not in a rude or condescending way. This is the proper way to do things.

Edited at 2014-09-28 06:28 pm (UTC)
notabler
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:31 pm (UTC)
I hate grammar nazi, because in my experience they can quit easy to switch their hatred to another matter. It's very dangerous sign for me. But I don't like people, who make many mistakes in Russian as well, they very often are ignorant and stubborn, with no ability to discuss properly. But I never correct anyone's mistakes.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
My biggest annoyance is when Americans use "their" instead of "they're." But when people are writing in their second language, like Masha was, the mistakes are more forgivable.
a_nimaida
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:42 pm (UTC)
глупо винить ВСЕХ россиян ))
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:53 pm (UTC)
I did not blame ALL Russians. This is just a common theme on LJ, to correct and criticize people's grammar and language skills.
d_byzero
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:48 pm (UTC)
Heh, the same is for Russian! You know Russian is a complicated language and there are some constructions many people use not in 'academic manner' (smth like "I don't need no education" in English). So some people are sure that they know Russian better than 'all these' and think they have rights to tell them about it. BTW I know the term 'gammar Nazi' in connection to Russian, not English! :-)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:58 pm (UTC)
This a common phrase in English also - "Grammar Nazi." There are many Internet memes if you search Google images.

lucemaria
Sep. 28th, 2014 06:54 pm (UTC)
(I am sorry for all my mistakes — in advance :) )
I agree with you that public pointing at language mistakes is impolite in the most of cases. But you know how ungrammatically people can write on Russian forums — sometimes it's a real challenge to understand what they wanted to say. Well, sometimes intentional mistakes are like salt and pepper, they make a speech more interesting, but in most cases people just don't want to know what is wrong with their way of writing, they don't want to learn, so they don't respect their readers who are forced to be cryptographers.

And I saw in many cases that people used English just for showing off — I mean Russian forums, of course. I read a popular LJ community about fashion and I often see titles in English there — and use of a foreign languages is not supported by style and logic in the rest of a post.

And last but not least — from my experience. I study English philology now (in Poland, but in Ukraine it's the same) and I was taught so many times by my teachers that it is not important what I am saying — I just should keep grammatical accuracy and use nice expression such as "nevertheless", "last but not least" etc. I could write a complete illogical nonsense in my university essays, but as long as I use such expressions and Past Perfect Continuous correctly, it was OK.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:11 pm (UTC)
I believe you must have had very good teachers because your English is almost perfect. :) It's interesting to hear how foreigners study and learn my native language. In all honesty, Americans never use words like "nevertheless" or "last but not least" in ordinary, everyday speech. They are too formal and business like. However, for technical, scientific or professional writings and correspondence such phrases are common. I use them frequently in all my writings as a lawyer. :) Btw, in case you're curious how we study Russian here, look at this post about my classes - http://peacetraveler22.livejournal.com/23512.html. Maybe you will find it interesting. :)
rollson
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:00 pm (UTC)
I try to avoid russians forums after anti Ukrainian hysteria started..
Most people get crazy
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:13 pm (UTC)
Yes, I agree. That's why I rarely write about politics here. There can be no civil or intelligent discussions, as tolerance toward different viewpoints is extremely low!! It's an open invitation for insults and troll invasions. I try to keep my blog clear from such chaos.
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real_marsel
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:00 pm (UTC)
I laugh so much! Russians correct your English! And with button is so funny.
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:15 pm (UTC)
It's especially amusing because I was a writing major in university, and thus practiced writing and expressing myself in English far more than most Americans. Of course, I'm usually writing my posts late at night after work when my mind isn't fresh, so there can certainly be mistakes or unclear phrases sometimes. But I hope not too often.
real_marsel
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:02 pm (UTC)
Is it correct to say 'Thanks OVERMUCH'?
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:16 pm (UTC)
No, this phrase isn't proper English, though I would understand what you meant if you wrote it in a comment. The proper way to say it is: "thanks a lot", "thanks very much" or "thanks a bunch." All are acceptable and commonly used.
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gringo_foster
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:38 pm (UTC)
Да сейчас Обама с Путиным не могут общий язык найти и договорится о других что говорить ?
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, the mysteries of the universe! They are politicians, and have their own geopolitical language, which few people understand.
upplex
Sep. 28th, 2014 07:49 pm (UTC)
Какое у Вас количество подписчиков?
Для чего Вы пишете?
Нужена ли Вам читательская реакция?
Если на ответы "неважно, нет, нет", тогда Ваша позиция на 100% верна. Все равно же Вы пишете "в стол", зачем тут чужое мнение.
А если все-таки считаете себя "блогером", тогда наверно ожидать ответа от публики. Не всегда же хвалить будут.
Ну указали Вам неправильно на ошибку, ответьте нормально, дайте ссылку на Розенталя. Причем тут толерантность?
Я смеяться над человеком за глаза - это вообще трэш, полное неуважение. Сегодня он смеется, а что будет завтра?
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:54 pm (UTC)
My number of subscribers is in my profile if you take a second to look. And, if you read the first entry on my blog, or some of my posts, you will know why I write on a Russian forum. But, thanks for visiting my blog for the first time. :)
seadevil001
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:06 pm (UTC)
You see there we have old Soviet even phenomena. People who can converse and read|write in English were part of fairly small group close to power. Many of those has jobs outside USSR. So, perfect English was sign that one is close to "elite". While this perception is surely down now, it is still exist and some people conscious or not want to use it. By pointing out real or imaginary mistakes in other people texts.
However, one notice that English taught in so called "elite" schools are far from one in use in the US. To me it looks like upper crust British from 1950s. Sometimes it border on totally incomprehensible, which was reflected in old Soviet joke:
img src="http://images.myshared.ru/332604/slide_2.jpg"

let see if you can decode this one!
siberian_cat
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:18 pm (UTC)
The first three lines are borrowed from Casablanca. :)
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Марина Иванова
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:15 pm (UTC)
Среди ваших русских читателей, похоже, много невоспитанных маленьких детей ).
wise_gorilla
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:23 pm (UTC)
Ты вообще в школу ходила? Там же учат писать "Вы" с большой буквы!!! Открой Розенталя и прорешай все упражнения от начала до конца! Свой язык не может выучить нормально, а уже лезет перед иностранцами позориться!
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buddhistmind
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:36 pm (UTC)
russians r cool, knowledgeable and kind ;)
peacetraveler22
Sep. 28th, 2014 08:58 pm (UTC)
Hi! Nice to see you again. :) Yes, you're right! Many are kind and knowledgeable, but some are truly crazy. Especially when it comes to communications on the Internet.
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